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[[Impulse responses (IR) | Impulse responses]] are captured using microphones. | [[Impulse responses (IR) | Impulse responses]] are captured using microphones. | ||
| − | <blockquote>"Using a "neutral" IR with a simulated mic does not sound the same as an IR using that mic. It simply can't. Neutral mics like the Earthworks TC series are nearly omnidirectional. They operate by using a very small aperture as compared to traditional mics that have effective apertures orders of magnitude bigger." [http://forum.fractalaudio.com/posts/1230098 | + | <blockquote>"Using a "neutral" IR with a simulated mic does not sound the same as an IR using that mic. It simply can't. Neutral mics like the Earthworks TC series are nearly omnidirectional. They operate by using a very small aperture as compared to traditional mics that have effective apertures orders of magnitude bigger." [http://forum.fractalaudio.com/posts/1230098]</blockquote> |
| − | <blockquote>"The mic I've been most impressed with for recording guitar lately is the Beyer M160. I don't like SM57's alone for amps. They're too spikey and compressed but mixed with an M160 or R121 they add some nice sizzle." [https://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/best-studio-mics-your-input.88390/#post-1067921 | + | <blockquote>"The mic I've been most impressed with for recording guitar lately is the Beyer M160. I don't like SM57's alone for amps. They're too spikey and compressed but mixed with an M160 or R121 they add some nice sizzle." [https://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/best-studio-mics-your-input.88390/#post-1067921] </blockquote> |
| − | <blockquote>"The M160 is an awesome guitar cab mic. All the IRs we got with the M160 came out really nice." [http://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/fender-twin-double-verb.84263/#post-1022335 | + | <blockquote>"The M160 is an awesome guitar cab mic. All the IRs we got with the M160 came out really nice." [http://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/fender-twin-double-verb.84263/#post-1022335] </blockquote> |
| − | <blockquote>"My typical workflow is to choose an R121 or M160 first as these have the best low end. Then I choose an IR from one of the other mic types to get the desired brilliance. This is usually an SM57 or 4047. I just don't like 906s or 414s but that's me. I leave the panning at default but that's just my preference." [http://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/do-you-guys-ever-start-over.106929/page-3#post-1279254 | + | <blockquote>"My typical workflow is to choose an R121 or M160 first as these have the best low end. Then I choose an IR from one of the other mic types to get the desired brilliance. This is usually an SM57 or 4047. I just don't like 906s or 414s but that's me. I leave the panning at default but that's just my preference." [http://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/do-you-guys-ever-start-over.106929/page-3#post-1279254] </blockquote> |
| − | <blockquote>"If you get a chance try a Shure KSM313, an AEA R84 and a Beyer M160. The KSM313 is now my preferred mic for guitar cabs. I like it better than the R121. I find the KSM313 a little more balanced. The R121 has a lot of bass and proximity effect and the high end can be a little dull." [http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/friedman-4x12-cab-ir-captured-with-royer-121.1781470/#post-23294492 | + | <blockquote>"If you get a chance try a Shure KSM313, an AEA R84 and a Beyer M160. The KSM313 is now my preferred mic for guitar cabs. I like it better than the R121. I find the KSM313 a little more balanced. The R121 has a lot of bass and proximity effect and the high end can be a little dull." [http://www.thegearpage.net/board/index.php?threads/friedman-4x12-cab-ir-captured-with-royer-121.1781470/#post-23294492] </blockquote> |
| − | <blockquote>"My favorite mic for guitar cabs is the KSM313." [http://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/need-a-new-mic-look-at-this.124859/#post-1502814 | + | <blockquote>"My favorite mic for guitar cabs is the KSM313." [http://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/need-a-new-mic-look-at-this.124859/#post-1502814] </blockquote> |
<blockquote>"Certain mics like the royer 121 have 2 sides (front, back). Each has a different sound. Back side of the R121 is a bit darker. The difference between the front in the back is only apparent at closer mic distances. Get out past 3 feet and the sound the same on either side." </blockquote> | <blockquote>"Certain mics like the royer 121 have 2 sides (front, back). Each has a different sound. Back side of the R121 is a bit darker. The difference between the front in the back is only apparent at closer mic distances. Get out past 3 feet and the sound the same on either side." </blockquote> | ||
| − | <blockquote>"The M160 is a good mic but there are better ribbon mics. My personal favorite is the KSM313. It's more balanced and has better high frequency response. I haven't tried the KSM353 yet but I imagine it's even better. [https://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/integration-of-two-notes-products.162464/post-1947956 | + | <blockquote>"The M160 is a good mic but there are better ribbon mics. My personal favorite is the KSM313. It's more balanced and has better high frequency response. I haven't tried the KSM353 yet but I imagine it's even better. [https://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/integration-of-two-notes-products.162464/post-1947956]</blockquote> |
| − | <blockquote>IMHO nothing beats a KSM313 for "neutral" close mic'd IRs. [https://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/that-cab-block-i-need-help.163445/#post-1959051 | + | <blockquote>IMHO nothing beats a KSM313 for "neutral" close mic'd IRs. [https://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/that-cab-block-i-need-help.163445/#post-1959051]</blockquote> |
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| − | <blockquote>"Break-in is definitely real with guitar speakers. The surround is stiff when new due to the doping. I don’t think monitors and hifi speakers exhibit any significant break-in." [http://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/i-use-studio-monitors-all-the-time.148580/page-2#post-1759420 | + | <blockquote>"Break-in is definitely real with guitar speakers. The surround is stiff when new due to the doping. I don’t think monitors and hifi speakers exhibit any significant break-in." [http://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/i-use-studio-monitors-all-the-time.148580/page-2#post-1759420]</blockquote> |
| − | <blockquote>"We witnessed speaker break-in first-hand when shooting IRs. We bought a brand-new 5150 III cabinet. Went to shoot some IRs and they sounded terrible. So I put the synth block on and ran the speaker for several hours while we were doing other stuff. Came back and shot some IRs and they were much better sounding." [http://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/i-use-studio-monitors-all-the-time.148580/page-2#post-1759514 | + | <blockquote>"We witnessed speaker break-in first-hand when shooting IRs. We bought a brand-new 5150 III cabinet. Went to shoot some IRs and they sounded terrible. So I put the synth block on and ran the speaker for several hours while we were doing other stuff. Came back and shot some IRs and they were much better sounding." [http://forum.fractalaudio.com/threads/i-use-studio-monitors-all-the-time.148580/page-2#post-1759514]</blockquote> |
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Revision as of 09:03, 8 July 2021
About microphones
Impulse responses are captured using microphones.
"Using a "neutral" IR with a simulated mic does not sound the same as an IR using that mic. It simply can't. Neutral mics like the Earthworks TC series are nearly omnidirectional. They operate by using a very small aperture as compared to traditional mics that have effective apertures orders of magnitude bigger." [1]
"The mic I've been most impressed with for recording guitar lately is the Beyer M160. I don't like SM57's alone for amps. They're too spikey and compressed but mixed with an M160 or R121 they add some nice sizzle." [2]
"The M160 is an awesome guitar cab mic. All the IRs we got with the M160 came out really nice." [3]
"My typical workflow is to choose an R121 or M160 first as these have the best low end. Then I choose an IR from one of the other mic types to get the desired brilliance. This is usually an SM57 or 4047. I just don't like 906s or 414s but that's me. I leave the panning at default but that's just my preference." [4]
"If you get a chance try a Shure KSM313, an AEA R84 and a Beyer M160. The KSM313 is now my preferred mic for guitar cabs. I like it better than the R121. I find the KSM313 a little more balanced. The R121 has a lot of bass and proximity effect and the high end can be a little dull." [5]
"My favorite mic for guitar cabs is the KSM313." [6]
"Certain mics like the royer 121 have 2 sides (front, back). Each has a different sound. Back side of the R121 is a bit darker. The difference between the front in the back is only apparent at closer mic distances. Get out past 3 feet and the sound the same on either side."
"The M160 is a good mic but there are better ribbon mics. My personal favorite is the KSM313. It's more balanced and has better high frequency response. I haven't tried the KSM353 yet but I imagine it's even better. [7]
IMHO nothing beats a KSM313 for "neutral" close mic'd IRs. [8]
Dialing in Your Tone by Red Wirez provides useful info about mics and mic positioning.
Wikipedia:
Additional information about microphones:
- http://www.soundandrecording.de/tutorials/mikrofonvergleich-vor-dem-e-gitarrenverstaerker
- Wikipedia
- http://soundschematic.com/dynamic-ribbon-condensor
- http://www.barryrudolph.com/stellar/guitar.html
- http://www.gearslutz.com/board/so-much-gear-so-little-time/201972-mic-standards.html
- U67
- SM57
- SM58
- MD421
- U87
- D112
- Beyer M160, Beyer M160
- Sweetwater: Guitar Cabinet Mic Shootout – with Sound Samples
About guitar speakers
Impulse responses reproduce the sound of a speaker cabinet. Here's some background information on guitar speakers.
- Speakers: the final frontier
- Legendary Tones: G12M versus G12H
- TGP: EVM 12L versus EVM 12S
- Sound On Sound: choosing guitar-amp speakers
- Sound on Sound: understanding and recording guitar speakers
- Rivera: 15 speakers compared (YouTube)
- Eminence tone guide
- Fenderguru: selecting speakers
- Celestion history
- Pre-Rola greenbacks explained, part 1
- Pre-Rola greenbacks explained, part 2
- Premier Guitar: how a speaker cabinet influcences your tone
- Leon Todd compares IRs of V30s
- Sound clips of Celestion speakers on SoundCloud
- Meet a true Guitar Speaker Expert from JENSEN Speakers
- Every Celestion Speaker Compared!
Jensen speakers:
- P12R: 12”, 15W
- P12Q: 12”, 20W
- P12N: 12”, 30W
- P10R: 12”, 15W
"Break-in is definitely real with guitar speakers. The surround is stiff when new due to the doping. I don’t think monitors and hifi speakers exhibit any significant break-in." [9]
"We witnessed speaker break-in first-hand when shooting IRs. We bought a brand-new 5150 III cabinet. Went to shoot some IRs and they sounded terrible. So I put the synth block on and ran the speaker for several hours while we were doing other stuff. Came back and shot some IRs and they were much better sounding." [10]
